Mom regarding Joanna of Wales, spouse out of Llywelyn abdominal Iorwerth
Adopting the my report about the youngsters off Llywelyn Fawr and you will Joanna plus the answers it obtained, I seemed again through the genealogical profiles about Gwladus Ddu. Even though it is correct, because the numerous genealogists suggest, that on the lack of definite evidence in some manner, the newest title of your own mommy regarding Gwladus Ddu must will still be ‘unknown’, I came across you don’t need to changes my conclusion one to their unique mother is Joanna rather than Tangwystyl.
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One to after that source dedicated to their youngsters ‘s the following abstract in the ‘Kings and Queens out of Britain’ an authoritative publication, published by Oxford University Push, page 106:
‘Llywelyn ab Iorwerth, b.1173, young man off Iorwerth Drwyndwn (‘Flatnose’) and you may Marared, child of Madog ap Maredudd; acc. eastern Gwynedd 1195; partnered Joan, illegitimate daughter off King John, 1205; issue: Gruffudd (illegitimate), Dafydd, Gwenllian, Helen, Gwladus, Margaret, Susanna; passed away eleven April 1240; buried: Aberconwy.’
To show that it is not just myself you to believes thus, let me offer one to genealogist who’s an excellent enthusiast out of Sharon: “I’m extremely partial to Sharon Kay Penman’s courses. Even though they commonly strictly biographical, I’m much warmer depending on their work to ‘complete new blanks’ (given the quantity of browse she however added to her courses), compared to in reality mentioning particular genealogical source which i have come all over inside my search (I know we all run into offer like that). To help you whoever has not even understand their unique work, I suggest it most very, especially if you want to get a feel for just what existence was such 800 in years past.”
Their lookup to own ‘HBD’, ‘Drops the fresh Shadow’ and you will ‘The latest Reckoning’, accomplished up until the advent of the web based, was it’s outstanding
After the inquiries posed by the Beth, Suzanne and Sandy specifically, We set about researching this new identity from Joanna’s mom (known hereafter, to have ease of resource as the ‘Clemence’ not ‘Clementia’) as a consequence of an affair into so you can-be-queen John.